You're both wrong. O'reilly should not have said what he said.....on the first occasion...or the second occasion. Yes, the first time he was bashing lawyers before he knew what would happen..litigation wise. The second time he's, at the least, implying wrongdoing on the part of US Airways....again jumping the gun. Compressor stalls, by the way, are not engine failures, nor are they all that uncommon.

You are wrong for making a misleading statement, which I have noticed lawyers are quite good at. Your statement about there being a full investigation by the NTSB..."implies"...that if the NTSB were to find that US Airways did everything they were supposed to do, and a previous occurrence of a compressor stall on one engine had nothing to do with the failure of both engines after ingesting a flock of geese...that there wouldn't be litigation blaming US Airways and probably the engine manufacture as well.

You're a lawyer....you know full well that the finding of probable cause by the NTSB cannot be used in court...so it means absolutely nothing as far as litigation goes. Mark my words...there will be litigation...and some greedy lawyers will pay their greedy..."experts"...to find that the engines were prone to compressor stalls...and those compressor stalls contributed to the failure of the engines after ingesting geese. Of course it will be totally untrue...but that doesn't stop a jury from giving the poor uninjured victims a lot of money...as well as their lawyer.

You miss the point of the blog; in fact you extend lawyer bashing to witness bashing. Yes, NTSB findings are inadmissible in court. However, they often reveal valuable insight as to the cause of the crash, and more inportantly, whether the cause of the crash is actionable at law.
The purpose of my blog was to encourage a process whereby we wait to know all the facts before reaching a conclusion.

Last week I fed O'Reilly's producer the information about the Emergency Airworthiness Directive of 12/31/08 and the 3 other A.D.'s on topic. I'm a media and entertainment lawyer in NY continuing to fight FAA pro bono. The REAL story here, is that the Double-Exploding-Goose cover, is simply preposterous pretext. It was defective engine failure. My group Quiet Rockland's recent broadcast e-mail follows below.
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It Was Engine Failure, And Not Geese, That Crashed U.S. Airways Flight #1549 Airbus Into The Icy Hudson River On January 15, 2009.

Quiet Rockland Was The First To Break This Story Publicly.

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YOUR EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE EVENTS OF THE PAST FEW MONTHS:

1. Barack Obama Becomes The 44th President Of The United States Of America. [You Knew That Already].

2. ATC’s, NJ Senators Lautenberg and Menendez, NY Congressman Engel, Quiet Rockland, NJCAAN, Our Airspace, AFSAP, And The Northeast Generally, All Get Harmful Failed FAA Acting Administrator “Bobby” Sturgell Ejected From His Office In Disgrace.

3. FAA Management Hacks, Of The Bobby Sturgell “Administration”, Leave The Agency In Droves – Including Cowardly “Bobby” Sturgell Himself, Who 3 Days Before The Obama Inauguration Puts Career FAA Hack Lynne A. (Dobler) Osmus In His Place To Get Fired FOR Him!

4.“Bobby” Sturgell Tries To Pull The Pin, And Bribe And Blame Everyone, On His Angry Departure Out The Door - And He Fails.

5. U.S. Airways Flight #1549 Airbus Plops 155 People In The Hudson River – On Bobby Sturgell’s Last Day In Office! FAA And U.S. Airways Then Actually Try To Blame Rogue Simultaneously-Exploding Geese For The Defective Engines That Failed And Caused The Airbus To Crash.

6. Quiet Rockland, NATCA, The Main Bang, And Others All Attack Florida Congressman John Mica For His Continuing Shill Game On FAA NY/NJ/PHL Airspace Redesign.

7. Whistleblowers, NATCA And ATC’s, And Communities Nationwide, All Unite Against The Last Unlawful Vestiges Of The Failed Defeated “Bobby” Sturgell FAA Regime.

8. Quiet Rockland Vows To Continue To Lawfully Attack New “Temp-To-Perm” FAA Acting Administrator Lynne A. (Dobler) Osmus – Herself The FAA “Security” Lady Who Brought You 9/11 - Until; (A) NY/NJ/PHL Airspace Redesign Is Terminated; (B) ATCs Are Treated Fairly; (C) Aviation Safety Is Restored To America.

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Re:
Your Nonsensical January 16, 2009 Press Release About U.S. Airways Flight #1549, And The FAA’s Ill-Conceived And Harmful “NY/NJ/PHL Airspace Redesign”

Congressman Mica:

Never mind that you’re too afraid to respond to all of Quiet Rockland’s past correspondence sent directly to you.

Your Friday January 16, 2009 “Press Release”, once again bought and paid for by your redneck yahoo aviation-industry buddies, sinks you to new depths of Stunade.

In your Press Release you have the nerve to suggest that FAA’s foul and unlawful NY/NJ/PHL Airspace Redesign would somehow militate against aviation accidents like U.S. Airways Flight #1549 which landed in New York’s Hudson River last Thursday January 15, 2009 – the very last day of Failed Acting Administrator “Bobby” Sturgell’s abysmal term at FAA. You are one of the primary malevolent architects of that purely-mercantilistic Redesign. You seek to facilitate FAA’s brutal routing of between 200 to 600 new jumbo-jets per day at low altitudes, every 2.5 minutes, over Rockland County, New York’s most densely-populated residential areas. This would turn pleasant villages like Chestnut Ridge into de facto extensions of Newark Runway #22.

Apparently, you would rather make an Airbus crash into people’s homes, schools, and houses of worship, than have a chance to evacuate its passengers in a water landing. Your “vision” of safety only maximizes body-count and, destruction.

That’s MORONIC, John Mica.

Furthermore, you again lie and mislead. American aviation is NOT safe. The Flight #1549 Airbus crashed because of defective engines which were already the subject of up to four (4) Airworthiness Directives, one of which was the Emergency A.D. of December 31, 2008 - not birds. The engines on that very same plane exploded in loud booms while the plane was mid-air on the very same departure air-route out of LaGuardia two days prior to Thursday’s water-landing. Yet that very aircraft was kept in service and the engines were not replaced during the day in between. Your aeromercantile cronies made that genius decision – the ones that pay you.

As for ousted FAA functionary “Bobby” Sturgell, he was the worst Administrator in FAA’s 50-year history. Sturgell notched approximately 4,000 or more aviation fatalities on his flight-belt during his time at FAA. Just like your disgraced buddy Sturgell did, you are lying to the American people – AGAIN. The “political” games that harm aviation safety, are YOUR games, John Mica – your games of putting profits over people, every single time you get the chance. We’re sick of it. And we’re sick of your transparent chicanery.

Moreover, why should anyone trust a man like yourself who cannot even write, spell, or punctuate correctly, John Mica? Is English your second language because your primary language is “Thug”? In your “Press Release” you say:

“[a]ir [r]edesign[sic] must move forward to insure[sic] that both safety and congestion improve”.

You are too much of an inattentive boor to realize that FAA’s own term is “Airspace Redesign”, and not “[a]ir [r]edesign[sic]” - although I very much look forward to you showing us in the Northeast your manifold ways of altering the nitrogen/oxygen balance in the future. Perhaps you seek to do that with the jet-fuel emissions you want to bring to our county of 300,000, and the 30,000,000 of us in the Northeast who have not abandoned our roots like you did when you parachuted to Florida.

Your Press Release also blew the name of the airline itself. The airline is “US Airways (Inc.)”, and not simply “US Air”:
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But perhaps you are in such a rush to cash your “campaign finance” checks when they come in, that you don’t read the payor’s name all that carefully.

You are also too much of a thick-headed aeromercantalist to realize that the word you were seeking in the above, was “ensure”, not “[i]nsure[sic]”. Maybe you should tell your crack-proofreading staff the difference, too. “Insure” is what State Farm does. “Ensure”, on the other hand, is what Quiet Rockland is going to do to your morally-bereft legacy. But what, really, does spelling, grammar, and diction matter to someone like yourself, already bought-and-paid-for by the dirty jet-fuel-soaked money of the aviation industry a thousand times over?

The reason why FAA Reauthorization failed repeatedly, and why you have none other than a political hack in office as current pro tempore FAA Administrator in the form of Lynne (9/11) Osmus, is because YOU failed, John Mica. Now we Americans have swept most all of the old aero-refuse out the door. Sturgell. Gone. Blakey. Gone. Sabatini. Leverenz. Elwell. Weiss. All ejected. All gone. You are one of the last remaining vestiges of the old corrupt Bobby Sturgell aero-mercantile machine. Your act is tired. Your song is over.

We will continue to make sure that every one of your Florida constituents, and every American citizen, knows what an inhuman failure you are, John Mica. We will make sure that every American citizen knows that your brainstorm giamope solution for preventing future Flight #1549’s, is to instead fly those defective-engined planes over densely-populated residential areas and risk killing people with them. I’d call you chiacchierone, but that would imply that more than one person actually listens to you. Too bad that you yourself don’t have the voice of an internal conscience to which to listen, as opposed to the mere flappings of your own gums and the sound of Topstick dripping in the Florida sun which has obviously fried your brain. Or perhaps maybe the injury occurred when you head-butted that cameraman after the Tom Delay fundraiser you attended this past summer. That was class.

My role models are in Congress, the same body you inhabit, for now – dignified and genteel persons like Eliot Engel, John Hall, Robert Menendez, and Frank Lautenberg. You don’t deserve membership in their fraternity. You’re antithetical to the interests of the citizens of this country, and you don’t even hide it well:

Saturday, January 24, 2009
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Press Release

Mica Demands Obama and Congress Act After US Air Accident

January 16, 2009

Washington, DC – U.S. Rep. John L. Mica (R-FL), the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Republican Leader and former chairman of the Aviation Subcommittee, praised the pilot of US Air Flight 1549 and those involved in the rescue of passengers and crew, and called on the President-elect and Congress to take action on some long-delayed safety matters relating to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

“Although the aviation industry avoided a catastrophic event with the crash of US Air flight 1549 in the icy waters of the Hudson River, America’s aviation system is skating on thin ice,” said Mica.

“Thanks to the heroic actions of the experienced pilot and the crew, and those on the ground who responded quickly, all the passengers were rescued. American aviation is still the safest form of travel, but the Federal Aviation Administration and the aviation industry continue to face significant safety challenges that must be addressed.

“Unfortunately, political games have been played that could endanger the effectiveness and safety record of the FAA,” Mica added. “Since September 2007, the agency has been operating without a confirmed administrator, and this is absolutely unacceptable.

“In the 1990’s, after the agency saw five different administrators in a short period of time, Congress acted to bring needed stability and consistency to the position by establishing a five-year term. Former FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, appointed by President Clinton, and former Administrator Marion Blakey, appointed by President Bush, both completed five-year terms. However, Robert Sturgell’s nomination has languished in the Senate since late 2007 because Senate Democrats have blocked a vote on his confirmation.

“Leaving this critical agency without a confirmed leader places the entire system in jeopardy,” Mica said. “I call on President-elect Obama and Congress to fill and confirm this essential aviation leadership position immediately.”

The former House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman continued, “Northeast Senate Democrats have also worked to delay FAA efforts to implement a redesign of the New York area airspace. Planes leaving LaGuardia, JFK and Newark are limited to air routes that were established decades ago. Efforts to redesign New York’s airspace, which is responsible for almost three-fourths of the nation’s chronically delayed flights, have dragged on for more than 18 years, and this air redesign must move forward to insure that both safety and congestion improve.”

Mica further commented, “The American public should know that Congress has also failed to approve FAA reauthorizing legislation for more than a year and forced the agency to operate on the basis of short-term funding extensions. FAA funding and other key federal agencies have yet to receive updated appropriations authority that was due at the beginning of last October.

“All of these issues, including no Administrator, no policy and no funding, have the potential for crippling FAA projects, including bird strike and other safety research and development programs.

“I call on President-elect Obama to nominate an FAA Administrator as soon as possible, support the airspace redesign, and work with Congress to pass pending FAA policy and funding legislation,” Mica concluded.
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It Was Engine Failure, And Not Geese, That Crashed U.S. Airways Flight #1549 Airbus Into The Icy Hudson River On January 15, 2009.

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Where Is Hero US Airways Pilot Capt. Sullenberger?

Monday, January 26, 2009

This is a rush transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," January 23, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.



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BILL O'REILLY, HOST: Continuing now with FOX News anchor Geraldo Rivera. Last week, the biggest hero in America was Captain Chesley Sullenberger, who successfully crash-landed a US Air jetliner on the Hudson River. Nobody was killed, an amazing achievement. But where is Captain Sullenberger? So what's going on? Why isn't he out there?



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GERALDO RIVERA, HOST, "GERALDO AT LARGE": I don't know why he hasn't spoken up until now, but I do know that tomorrow in his hometown…



O'REILLY: Parade.



RIVERA: ...that's Danville, California…



O'REILLY: Right.



RIVERA: ...he will get a hero's welcome.



O'REILLY: There's a parade.



RIVERA: And he should.



O'REILLY: Right, right.



RIVERA: It's the most, as I said, the most incredible feat of aviation skill that has ever happened since at least Charles Lindbergh flew the Atlantic solo nonstop or Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier. This guy is a magnificent hero.



The bigger question as we see the emergency float being deployed there — and that's incredible video — the bigger question is: Why did those engines stall? Was it just the bird strike?



O'REILLY: Bird strike, yeah.



RIVERA: A random bird strike? I hold in my hand what's called an Airworthiness Directive. All right, this Airworthiness Directive, which is, in effect, December 31, 2008 reads: "This Airworthiness Directive results from an Airbus A-321 airplane powered by a..." and it goes on to designate the engine, the turbo fan engines experiencing high pressure compressor stalls during climb out after takeoff. In other words, airplanes with that Airbus with the engines that that airplane had were suffering stalls…



O'REILLY: Stalls.



RIVERA: ...during climb-out after takeoff. So now you have December 31, 2008, Airworthiness Directive, every Airbus of that sort has to be inspected, OK. That's December 31, 2008.



What happens next? January 13, 2009, Tuesday, the same flight, LaGuardia to Charlotte, North Carolina, guess what? The same aircraft experiences compressor stalls. The engine stalls. The passengers are worried. They panic. The pilot says we have to go back. We have to make an emergency landing. That is the same aircraft, this is Tuesday, that on Thursday Chesley Sullenberger…



O'REILLY: Not the same plane.



RIVERA: Well, it is the same plane, Bill.



O'REILLY: It is the same plane?



RIVERA: It's the same exact plane.



O'REILLY: Really?



RIVERA: The fuselage number is N106US.



O'REILLY: OK, now…



RIVERA: Same aircraft.



O'REILLY: All right, hold it. So you're going to have more on this on your show.



RIVERA: The NTSB admits that the engine was screwed up on Tuesday.



O'REILLY: So they knew the engine was bad?



RIVERA: They knew they had a compressor stall. They knew it.



O'REILLY: Oh, my God.



RIVERA: They knew it.



O'REILLY: So you're going to go through this on your show.



RIVERA: I'm saying that to suggest that it is…



O'REILLY: Birds.



RIVERA: ...pure coincidence that that same aircraft that on Tuesday, two days before…



O'REILLY: Stalled.



RIVERA: ...had a compressor stall in the air to say that it's just a coincidence that the birds hit the engine and the engines quit…



O'REILLY: All right.



RIVERA: ...and Sullenberger has to be a hero. I'm telling you, there's more to this story.



O'REILLY: All right.



RIVERA: And I'm investigating it.



O'REILLY: All right. So Geraldo will be on Saturday at 8:00. Check him out. We'll be back with more on Monday on it.



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It's so odd how people like O'Reilly make this statements. How is there not a claim? The Lawyer didn't create it. Thanks for the post and a number of interesting comments.

If you folks actually believe what you're saying, you need to seek counseling. This isn't Star Trek. Facts....Facts....Facts...repeat after me.

Some of you folks should get a life and also hold off on the caffine.

Multiple engine loss due to bird injestion is a real problem in aviation and has been for years. Not so long ago, a large USAF Boeing E-3 AWACS aircraft was lost (with the entire crew) in Alaska after injesting geese. Long before JFK airport was named for the late President, an Easter Airlines Lockheed Electra was lost over Jamaica Bay after departing IDL when it injested multiple Starlings that caused the immediate loss of three of it 4 turboprop engines. Bird strikes can come at any altutude - the highest recorded was in the neighborhood of 25,000 feet over south Asia. I once ran an intercept on a flight of 2 Geese flying north from over Cuba at 16,000 feet (doing 90 knots over the ground). This incident was even written up in Naval Aviation News in 1963.

Also, compressor stalls are not that unusual in "ANY" jet engine when the air flow is distrubed - for whatever reason. I've observed them while working in various control towers, experienced them as a passenger aboard the aircraft, and while riding as an additional crew member in the cockpit's jumpseat. I'm still very much alive and I never crashed or saw a crash related to a compressor stall.

For all you legal types, stop running around thinking you've just won the lottery everytime someone stubbs a toe. For you others - SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP, IMMEDIATELY.......!

Phil, I agree we all need facts before we make wise decisions. If you will read my original post, you will see that was the point. Don't reach a decision before the facts are know.

Mike O...why begin with an insult. Who said anything about winning a lottery. I encouraged a full investigation. I encouraged people not to be biased. Surely you can agree that a full investigation should be done before reaching a conclusion. Not all lawyers are bad guys. In fact the mission of InjuryBoard is to change the dialogue. Lawyers play a vital role in the process and I encourage you to investigate how true that is. I will be happy to help you if you are truely interested in knowing the truth.

We need open dialogue and honest debate. Not name calling and labeling of people. President Obama certainly has taught us a lesson or two about the dangers of such.

And again, my point was not to promote the filing of lawsuits. I was pointing out the bais against lawyers. A bias that O'Reilly's comments clearly pointed out. And now your comments, unfortunately, do the same. I never suggested that the crash was caused by negligence. That was Mr. O'Reilly doing that. Yet you join him in the lawyer bashing.

Years ago someone told me that no one likes a lawyer til they need one. Hopefully you will never need one. If you do, select one that is like the lawyer I described in my original blog. You can probably find him/her by simply going to InjuryBoard.com.

I am lucky enough to work for lawyers who are genuinely good people. They really care about the clients. Our firm is successful enough that we don't typically have to seek out people, they come to us. It hurts when people in the media make comments about "ambulance chasers" and lawyers who are only out to make a buck. They don't understand that these are real people, who at one point in their lives decided "I want to help people who have been hurt." What is so wrong with that? They go through special schooling, just like doctors, but nobody accuses them of being greedy. Many open their own firms which takes a lot of capitol and a lot of dedication. And plaintiffs attorneys like our firm get paid a percentage of the settlement, so if we don't do a good job for you, we don't get as much. The attorneys EARN everything they get. (I would be more critical of defense lawyers who get paid the same even if they lose.)

Paul....I think Mr.Tormey Esq. above just made my point. He is a plaintiff attorney obviously, and he already knows it had nothing to do with ingestion of geese....it was dual engine failure..plain and simple...RIGHT.! Don't get me wrong, not all plaintiff's attorneys are like him, but unfortunately, many are, and they tarnish the name of the attorney's that are honest and actually care about people and safety, such as Amber describes above.